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    I am assuming that a Dragon Juicer counts as a Juicer Treatment, for purposes of whether or not a treatment can be added. By this I mean, you can not be a (for example) Titan Dragon Juicer.

  • #2
    Uh no!

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    • #3
      Annnnd this is another reason to define a dragon juicer as an Edge rather than an IF.

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      • #4
        The juicer edges are modifications of the base juicer while Dragon juicer is a TW alternate process. I don't have a problem with that so long as they tone down the Dragon Juicer some.

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        • #5
          Did I miss something or are the juicer edges not mutually exclusive as written?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by banewood View Post
            Did I miss something or are the juicer edges not mutually exclusive as written?
            On pg 32 All Juicer Upgrade
            Treatments are mutually exclusive.
            A Juicer can only ever have one
            and can never change it.

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            • banewood
              banewood commented
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              thank you

            • PEGRoberson
              PEGRoberson commented
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              Because people will intentionally misinterpret it.

          • #7
            Dragon juicer is its own iconic frame work. The juicer treatment edges list juicer as the required iconic framework.

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            • magusrogue
              magusrogue commented
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              not true. It specifically states he can take iconic juicer Edge's. Including these treatments if that interpretation stays open.

          • #8
            Okay, but can we talk about the Mega-Juicer Treatment edge??

            One Edge gives +8 Toughness but -1 Burn. (The bit about exploding is just fun flavor.)

            Is that a typo? Or is this just the most unbalanced edge in the system? It makes Whateley Blood ladies (from Deadlands) look fair.

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            • #9
              The +8 toughness may be OP from a built point standpoint but I'll worry about it once I start seeing actual Mega-Juicers running around. Juicers are, to the best of my knowledge, the rarest of characters. Maybe a little OP is needed to save them from extinction.

              Not Dragon Juicer level OP though. That's going too far.

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              • #10
                +8 is a little over the top though. I think +6 would be more appropriate. Figure a normal Edge gets you +2, but this is an iconic (and exclusive) edge so we'll push that to +3. Losing a point of Burn kicks it up another Edge's worth, to +5, and the "you blow up" thing, while not a real drawback for a character that's already dead, could bump it up one more if you're being really generous. So, +6.

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                • pkitty
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                  I think +4 is MORE than fair.

                  +2 Toughness for an Edge is already Iconic; no other Edge gives that much Toughness. Losing one point of Burn isn't worth an Edge on its own; that's maybe 1/2 to 2/3 an Edge. So that puts us in the +3ish range, and if you're feeling generous, that's +4.

                • ValhallaGH
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                  pkitty The Breed Advantage (Tough Breed) Edge provides +2 Toughness.

                • pkitty
                  pkitty commented
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                  VGH: Didn't catch that, you're right. But it doesn't change my point, that "-1 Burn and you do an awesome 'splosion when you die" is barely worth an extra edge worth of benefit. This is worth somewhere between +3 and +4.

              • #11
                Or just give them the unstoppable ability instead of the toughness increase. After a quick reread of it in PR, definitely unstoppable.
                Last edited by tbone9581; 09-15-2019, 06:52 PM.

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                • PEGRoberson
                  PEGRoberson commented
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                  Done. This edge changed after i wrote it for SWD, then a lot as various SWADE changes happened, then even more as i tidied up weird rules mechanics like when MDC armor does or doesnt stack, etc. This is an awesome suggestion. Thank you.

              • #12
                Originally posted by tbone9581 View Post
                Or just give them the unstoppable ability instead of the toughness increase. After a quick reread of it in PR, definitely unstoppable.
                Ooo. I kind of like that.

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                • #13
                  In the original, a Mega-Juicer mostly had an MDC body structure, perhaps that is where they should be going instead of a +8?

                  The Dragon Juicer probably should be made into a "treatment" like the others. Some of the abilities could be edges that stack on the treatment edge.

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                  • #14
                    Originally posted by AlanGunhouse View Post
                    In the original, a Mega-Juicer mostly had an MDC body structure, perhaps that is where they should be going instead of a +8?

                    The Dragon Juicer probably should be made into a "treatment" like the others. Some of the abilities could be edges that stack on the treatment edge.
                    The dragon juicer is a juicer in name only. I would rather they move the dragon juicer further away from a regular juicer (like removing burn) than just make it a treatment.

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                    • #15
                      Originally posted by Wanderingmystic View Post

                      The dragon juicer is a juicer in name only. I would rather they move the dragon juicer further away from a regular juicer (like removing burn) than just make it a treatment.
                      Yeah, this. And with the PPE and magic stuff, the Dragon Juicer does some things the regular Juicer chassis isn’t really meant to do.

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