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Do you like the name as it stands?

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No. (Please post why.)
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#21 Postby palehorse » Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:08 pm

count0 wrote:So is it hate for the Japanese, or foreign languages in general? Seems kind of harsh that you'd have to go rant to your friends about the name of a game setting because it was a Japanese word. Disgust? Samurai is a Japanese word. :wink:


Samurai is a Japanese word that every gamer knows, obviously.


Anyway, if it were me, I'd make up two lists: words/concepts that evoke steampunk (steam, coal, engine, clockwork, etc.) and words/concepts that evoke feudal Japan (katana, samurai, shogun, etc.) and come up with some other combinations ("The Shogun of Steam" or some such), then pick the best of the bunch. If you want to mate that with a Japanese word, like Clint suggested, you get to combine something authentic with a catchy concept title that people will recognize & identify with.

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#22 Postby loungingbear » Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:33 pm

The one thing I do like about the current name is that it definitely gives you an idea of what is there as compared to a one name title that most people won't understand. I'm just thinking about marketing...of course I don't have ANY background in marketing so take it with a grain of salt. After all, I would never have named an automobile a "Probe."

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#23 Postby count0 » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:04 pm

Tetsukami

- Samurai Adventure in the Age of Steam

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#24 Postby lordthrog » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:12 pm

I voted no, for much the same reason as everyone else, it seems really bland. That said, I appreciate the name because it tells me what it is, and that it's not going to be my thing.
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#25 Postby Mr.Joel » Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:38 pm

Obviously you'll do what you want... my personal view is that calling it "Katana" is like calling a setting "Broadsword." Fine for generic European fantasy, but if the setting has something unique in it, like steam-powered fascist robots, well, "Broadsword" doesn't say that.

We've been playing a somewhat similar SW game (campaign name "Atari"), with traditional samurai resisting new technology in the Tokugawa era. Definitley a fun setting.

Maybe go to the "Dungeons & Dragons" ampersand model?...

Automata & Ancestors
Ronin & Robots

Hmm, those are kind of silly. Sorry. What about...

Steam and Honor

Tinker's Scroll

Empress of the Clockwork Throne

Anyway -- looking forward to more detail!

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#26 Postby mad monkey » Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:06 pm

The Tao of Steam.

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#27 Postby Pure Evil Model: D » Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:40 pm

Honor of Steel

before I even read the background (which didn't catch my attention honestly), the words "Steam Punk" and "Samurai" in the same sentence evoked a LOT of images....

Roving stoic swordsman...
a small girl with steam powered wings on her back...
crazy old men with a bamboo sticks...
sumo in steel plats witha boiler on his back and some sort of cannon type thing in his arms...
a razor-blade-fan wielding kimono wearing maiden...
an armored man with a 6 barreled musket...
a troubled monk...
a running street urchin tossing small pouches with sizzling fuses...
a mysterous figure hiding in the shadows...
a steam-punk'd panda bear...
duels in bamboo forests...
a clock work ninjas...

...I like where this is heading...

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#28 Postby Alan » Wed Jul 13, 2005 3:21 am

voted no - the name is okay, it does the job but doesn't really strike me. I'm dead against the idea of using oriental names or symbols simply because it iriitates me. Steam and Honor sounds kind of cool. The best that I can come up with is

Dynasty of Steam

or perhaps

Year of the [insert name of something cool from the setting]

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#29 Postby count0 » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:50 am

Those Japanese Guys Who Were the Equivalent of European Knights Using Curved Swords Like the One That Highlander Guy Used in that Movie, in a Fanciful Time of Steam Powered Machines That's Kind of Gritty

That avoids the Japanese words and the Steampunk reference...

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#30 Postby EssEmAech » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:42 am

I liked Tao of Steam, a propper subtitle would work well with that.

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#31 Postby Bretbo » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:14 am

Heck, if nothing else, you're getting a lot of good ideas for supplement or adventure names.

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#32 Postby Alan » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:08 am

Dragon in the Steam

it might be a little close to the victoriana 'Dragon in the Smoke' supplement for comfort. Tao of Steam is also cool, must be said.
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#33 Postby Jackson » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:14 am

Taoist Dreams and Samurai Steam


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This is funny to me!

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Re: Katana: Samurai Steampunk

#34 Postby blusponge » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:24 am

razorwise wrote:The challenge for you? Come up with a better name.


Actually, from everything batted around, I think Steampunk Shogun is the strongest one. It rolls off the tongue nicely, is evocotive, and doesn't sound like some cheesy saturday morning anime knockoff.

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#35 Postby steamdriven » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:55 am

how about,

Steampunk Samurai,

Iron Shogun,

Steampunk Shogun,

Iron Empire,

followed by "year of the cog" or some other line.

just another 2 pence worth.

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#36 Postby charliebananas » Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:18 pm

The thing I’m finding difficult to grasp, is why people wouldn't want Japanese words in a game set in Japan, I know slasher freely admitted that the game wasn't aimed at him, but if a feudal Japanese background is your thing, then surely you would want to embrace, or at least acknowledge, the culture upon which it's based??? :?

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#37 Postby count0 » Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:09 pm

I get the feeling it's more like, "oriental" words they don't want to pronouce (though Japanese has possibly the easiest pronunciation rules of any language on earth). Sushi. Saki. Bushido. Shogun.

But, with a sub-title, a unique word can set something apart; everyone knows immediatly what you are talking about.
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#38 Postby palehorse » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:02 pm

charliebananas wrote:The thing I’m finding difficult to grasp, is why people wouldn't want Japanese words in a game set in Japan, I know slasher freely admitted that the game wasn't aimed at him, but if a feudal Japanese background is your thing, then surely you would want to embrace, or at least acknowledge, the culture upon which it's based??? :?


That's exactly the point.

'Shogun' implies feudal Japan. 'Samurai' does too, as does 'katana'.

A word that 99% of the target audience won't recognize implies nothing but Japanese-ness. In which case you might as well use 'Wakarimasen' for all the good it'll do.

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#39 Postby count0 » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:39 pm

You mean like Rokugan?

The subtitle would let them know what it was about, until eventually the name itself would be known. Just like Rokugan.

palehorse wrote:A word that 99% of the target audience won't recognize implies nothing but Japanese-ness. In which case you might as well use 'Wakarimasen' for all the good it'll do.
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#40 Postby palehorse » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:47 pm

count0 wrote:You mean like Rokugan?


No, not like Rokugan.

Legend of the Five Rings came first. Subsequent books with Rokugan in the title are aimed specifically at people who are already educated on it's significance.


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