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Some undead issues

#1 Postby SlasherEpoch » Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:03 pm

Shane, you've probably had more run-ins with the Undead than any of us. So, in lieu of all your research and knowledge, I pose the following questions:

1. Even if shotguns don't kill vampires, what would two barrels to the face do?

2. Could I realistically fill a zombie full or railroad spikes and send it at my players with instructions to hug? Or would there be too many ill effects from the spikes?

3. Would a full clip of 7.62 mm hollowpoint to the chest do anything to a zombie?

4. Flaming zombies? Your thoughts and advice?

5. Suppose I fire a .44 Magnum dum-dum at a vampire's heart. Even with the -6 penalty, I hit it. Should heart removal be enough to kill it?

6. Now, how does one go about chopping something to bits under Savage Worlds rules (a la Return of the Living Dead)?

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#2 Postby palehorse » Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:05 pm

I love me some zombies, so I'll chip in my pair of Lincoln-heads here..

1. Even if shotguns don't kill vampires, what would two barrels to the face do?


I'd say this depends on how 'supernatural' you want your vampires to be. Dracula style vamps might be completely unharmed, on one end of the spectrum; on the other, look at the vamps in Near Dark: a blast to the face would probably blow it completely off, though it'd still keep coming for you, even with only one eyeball hanging down on it's cheek and a dripping, fist sized chunk taken out of its head...

. Could I realistically fill a zombie full or railroad spikes and send it at my players with instructions to hug? Or would there be too many ill effects from the spikes?


Realistic? Who cares! It sounds pretty darn cool to me, so I say go for it. Try wrapping one in razor wire before you send him out, too; its fun for the whole family!

3. Would a full clip of 7.62 mm hollowpoint to the chest do anything to a zombie?


Well, if you manage to completely sever the spinal column, it'd probably blow him in half, and the top would keep on comin' (a la Dungeon Crawl!). Otherwise, it'd make a big ol' mess and that's probably it. (Personally I like the first one, of course... blowing something in half and having it keep on coming after you is pretty off-putting, I'd think.)

4. Flaming zombies? Your thoughts and advice?


Give 'em three rounds or so before they fall over completely cooked through (stick a fork in him: he's done); anyone they grapple with has to check and see if they catch fire.

5. Suppose I fire a .44 Magnum dum-dum at a vampire's heart. Even with the -6 penalty, I hit it. Should heart removal be enough to kill it?


See answer to #1, though I can't imagine a single time when I'd let this one by. Even a .44 to the heart wouldn't guarantee complete removal. If you've got the stomach for it, check out Vernon Geberth's excellent "Practical Homicide Investigation"; aside from being a standard textbook for homicide detectives (and thus an invaluable resource for any kind of police-style wrriting or gaming) it's full from cover to cover with crime scene photographs, showing exactly what different weapons can do to the human body... Just don't eat before you do.

6. Now, how does one go about chopping something to bits under Savage Worlds rules (a la Return of the Living Dead)?


Well, for a zombie game, you don't want to make it TOO difficult; I'd say a called shot on a limb, with a raise on damage, would do the trick.

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Re: Some undead issues

#3 Postby PEGShane » Sat Sep 13, 2003 9:21 pm

Be warned. Opinions ahead. Field tests on zombies are few. ;)

SlasherEpoch wrote:Shane, you've probably had more run-ins with the Undead than any of us. So, in lieu of all your research and knowledge, I pose the following questions:

1. Even if shotguns don't kill vampires, what would two barrels to the face do?

3d6+4 damage. ;)

2. Could I realistically fill a zombie full or railroad spikes and send it at my players with instructions to hug? Or would there be too many ill effects from the spikes?

I've done it myself. Highly encourage it. It's also good to have them roll around in broken glass first. I recommend Str+1 damage, victim is automatically Shaken with a successful grapple. Not particularly deadly, but very painful so you'll "reel" for a second or two.

3. Would a full clip of 7.62 mm hollowpoint to the chest do anything to a zombie?

2d8+1 x 10 damage. ;)

4. Flaming zombies? Your thoughts and advice?

I love to see my friends turn their foes into flaming foes. Successful touch attack has a chance to set the character alight (5-6 on a d6, I think? No book handy).

5. Suppose I fire a .44 Magnum dum-dum at a vampire's heart. Even with the -6 penalty, I hit it. Should heart removal be enough to kill it?

I'd say no in most games. Vamps are legendary, and the legend says wood. In Blade-type games, give it +4 damage and let the dice decide.

6. Now, how does one go about chopping something to bits under Savage Worlds rules (a la Return of the Living Dead)?


Always a tough one in any game system. Also VERY troublesome for players. I'd divide the thing into four distinct parts--body, head, and hands (creeping feet never killed anyone, and a hopping ass is just silly). The body isn't down until you chop it up (let it go "down" from "shock" for a round or two while it "recuperates.) If you chop it up, the hands start coming after you while the head screams (Taunt or Intimidate to shake you and set you up for the relatively weak hand attacks).

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Re: Some undead issues

#4 Postby jblittlefield » Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:01 am

PEGShane wrote:Be warned. Opinions ahead. Field tests on zombies are few. ;)

SlasherEpoch wrote:Shane, you've probably had more run-ins with the Undead than any of us. So, in lieu of all your research and knowledge, I pose the following questions:

1. Even if shotguns don't kill vampires, what would two barrels to the face do?

3d6+4 damage. ;)

2. Could I realistically fill a zombie full or railroad spikes and send it at my players with instructions to hug? Or would there be too many ill effects from the spikes?

I've done it myself. Highly encourage it. It's also good to have them roll around in broken glass first. I recommend Str+1 damage, victim is automatically Shaken with a successful grapple. Not particularly deadly, but very painful so you'll "reel" for a second or two.

3. Would a full clip of 7.62 mm hollowpoint to the chest do anything to a zombie?

2d8+1 x 10 damage. ;)

4. Flaming zombies? Your thoughts and advice?

I love to see my friends turn their foes into flaming foes. Successful touch attack has a chance to set the character alight (5-6 on a d6, I think? No book handy).

5. Suppose I fire a .44 Magnum dum-dum at a vampire's heart. Even with the -6 penalty, I hit it. Should heart removal be enough to kill it?

I'd say no in most games. Vamps are legendary, and the legend says wood. In Blade-type games, give it +4 damage and let the dice decide.

6. Now, how does one go about chopping something to bits under Savage Worlds rules (a la Return of the Living Dead)?


Always a tough one in any game system. Also VERY troublesome for players. I'd divide the thing into four distinct parts--body, head, and hands (creeping feet never killed anyone, and a hopping ass is just silly). The body isn't down until you chop it up (let it go "down" from "shock" for a round or two while it "recuperates.) If you chop it up, the hands start coming after you while the head screams (Taunt or Intimidate to shake you and set you up for the relatively weak hand attacks).

Shane


We had a zombie's head roll over and bite a character on the ankle last week! I like the "screaming head" idea - hadn't even considered that!

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#5 Postby Kain A. Ashburner » Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:56 am

1. Even if shotguns don't kill vampires, what would two barrels to the face do?


Aside from the damage, it would probably knock them onto the floor too or at least knock them back. It IS a shotgun after all.

5. Suppose I fire a .44 Magnum dum-dum at a vampire's heart. Even with the -6 penalty, I hit it. Should heart removal be enough to kill it?


Heart Removal wouldn't kill them, it'll just make them invincble. However, they would die within 24 hours without it... they'd just be immune to stakes and things that could normally kill them until then. Kinda like a Vampire Kamakazi...
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#6 Postby DannyboyO1 » Mon Sep 15, 2003 2:53 pm

Kain A. Ashburner wrote:
1. Even if shotguns don't kill vampires, what would two barrels to the face do?


Aside from the damage, it would probably knock them onto the floor too or at least knock them back. It IS a shotgun after all.


And if nothing else, they'd blink. But there's one thing nobody ever thinks of in these cases. You're sorta throwing sand in their eyes. High caliber sand. I'd think they'd have vision problems for a few rounds. I mean, regenerating eyes, getting the grit out... I think it'd be at least as nasty as a regular person dealing with sand in the eyes.

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5. Suppose I fire a .44 Magnum dum-dum at a vampire's heart. Even with the -6 penalty, I hit it. Should heart removal be enough to kill it?


Heart Removal wouldn't kill them, it'll just make them invincble. However, they would die within 24 hours without it... they'd just be immune to stakes and things that could normally kill them until then. Kinda like a Vampire Kamakazi...


Saw that episode of Angel. Nice theory... but it depends on the vampire. Deadlands nosferatu are paralyzed by a severed spine. The heart's not particularly relevant. I remember a good Bureau 13 book involving a vampire dying when its heart was staked... even though it'd been blown out of its chest. And, if I remember white wolf's vamp rules, they get stunned by a stake to the heart, and some learn to *remove* the dang things. I wonder if they chuckle at the song "I left my heart in San Francisco"
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#7 Postby SlasherEpoch » Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:06 pm

Remember in From Dusk Till Dawn where they ripped a vamp's heatr out then stabbed it with a pencil?

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#8 Postby Psykoguy » Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:56 pm

a fun idea is a zombie that's taken so much damage, all that's left is the spine and head, something about seeing a head moving like a worm with it's spinal column seems just too cool

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#9 Postby marshal kt » Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:20 am

damn, i can't believe you guys missed the obvious vampire answer.

what does he do if he gets 2 shotgun blasts to the face?

well. if he'd like george hamilton in that piss poor movie he did, i'd say he'd make an appointment with his plastic surgeon. then after the operation, he'd go get a tan.

am i the only 1 who remembers him as dracula or what ever vampire he played? it was hysterical.


non, the real question is; is dick clark a vampire or a mummy?

i always thought the former, but i saw an episode of either snl or mad tv, and it made me think otherwise..

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#10 Postby Psykoguy » Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:33 am

Actually, dick clark is a sorcerer who absorbs the souls of the weak to survive

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#11 Postby marshal kt » Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:48 am

no that's gotta be wrong psykoguy. there's so many weak around that he'd blow up and die. i mean it's like letting homer simpson loose in a donut and beer factory.

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#12 Postby Psykoguy » Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:03 am

actually, the ritual involves taking small bits of their souls over a short period of time, he does this every december 31st in times square

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#13 Postby Lemming » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:00 pm

marshal kt wrote:*Snip*
what does he do if he gets 2 shotgun blasts to the face?

well. if he'd like george hamilton in that piss poor movie he did, i'd say he'd make an appointment with his plastic surgeon. then after the operation, he'd go get a tan.

am i the only 1 who remembers him as dracula or what ever vampire he played? it was hysterical.

*Snip*


"Love at First Bite" is the movie that I think you are talking about.

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#14 Postby marshal kt » Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:11 am

yup that's it.

thanks.


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