Old One Eye wrote:Ermm.....an MI at 100/74/29 (86/60/15) somehow prevents super-stupid damaging/tough? By my homebrew stats, that is Imperial Star Destroyer territory of toughness.
Then you've made the Imperial Star Destroyer too easy to destroy.
My apologies for obfuscating the issue by mentioning an Imperial Star Destroyer. Only the most gonzo of games would have an M1 Abrams and an Imperial Star Destroyer in the same setting. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for the two stats to have any relative relationship to each other.
newForumNewName wrote:It takes a Depleted Uranium shot or Heavy Artillery to destroy an M1. That's about right though: both types are Heavy Weapons and have a very high AP value (Heavy Artillery usually has 40 to 60 AP with upwards of 6d12 damage using WWII stats and I don't know the stats for DU, but I would imagine a higher AP value with less damage than Heavy Artillery). If you ignore Heavy Armor rules, then you've got a problem because those numbers have to start getting even higher. While that's neat to do hundreds of points of damage, that's not really FFF. It's a lot easier to just use Heavy Armor and Heavy Weapons.
If a modern setting has an M1 Abrams at 100/74/29 (86/60/15), the odds of a hand-held weapon acing enough times to damage it is so rediculously low, what is the point of Heavy Armor/Weapons? The odds of an AK-47 dealing that much have to be something like 1 out of 1,000,000.
ValhallaGH wrote:Yep. Because the base toughness is only 14.
Shoot it with a 5d10, AP 90, HW APDUDS (armor piercing, depleted uranium, discarding sabot) round and it will probably go boom to a mere 30 damage.
Yep, something like 5d10, AP 90 would fairly easily blow up a toughness 100/74/29 (86/60/15). Small arms are nowhere near 5d10, AP 90. Ma duce pumping out 2d10, AP 4 doesn't really have a chance.
I'm still failing to understand what Heavy Weapons/Armor adds. Is it likely that someone at some point in the night will get some lucky aces and deal an incredible amount of damage with their small arms - absolutely. Is it likely that someone will get some lucky aces and deal an incredible amount of damage with their small arms when specifically rolling a damage roll against a tank - nope. It might happen once or even twice a campaign - and if so, it will sure make a memorable moment.
ValhallaGH wrote:A PC can survive being shot for 30 damage (I've seen it; I've done it)..
Action heroes rock!