(DLR) do pump-action shotguns exist at the time?

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(DLR) do pump-action shotguns exist at the time?

#1 Postby Targetlock » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:51 am

So do pump-action shotguns exist at that period, i haven't been able to find anything about it. i have a big fond spot for shotguns so any answers would help.

If not i will make it exist (queue mad scientist laugh).
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Re: (DLR) do pump-action shotguns exist at the time?

#2 Postby arkcaver » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:32 am

Targetlock wrote:So do pump-action shotguns exist at that period, i haven't been able to find anything about it. i have a big fond spot for shotguns so any answers would help.

If not i will make it exist (queue mad scientist laugh).


I believe the Winchester 1893 was the first successful pump-action shotgun produced.

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#3 Postby Noshrok Grimskull » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:21 pm

Pump-action may not have existed in our history, but I seem to recall there was at least one of those in one of the Classic Deadlands books - Back East: The South or Law Dogs, if I'm not mistaken.

It worked much like a regular single-barrel shotgun, only it had 4 shots.

Oh, and if it's just ammo capacity that concerns you, than there's also the Colt Revolving Shotgun (with 6 shots) - which could be fanned if you were totally crazy! :eek:
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#4 Postby Targetlock » Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:59 pm

i'm not crazy..i just have an individual point of view :wink:
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#5 Postby marshal kt » Sat Nov 15, 2008 7:19 pm

winchester 1894 is a pump action shotgun.. dunno exactly when it came out, but it's still available; as a replica by chinese makers and the originals; on gun broler.com. usually the model is the year it was released.
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#6 Postby RJack » Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:48 am

The Spencer pump action existed in 1882, so it's not even much of a stretch to have in the standard Deadlands timeline of 1880. Also, the Winchester 1897, which was a refinement of the 1893, was one of the guns worked on by John Browning, who has been placed in the Deadlands setting with his own factory outside of Salt Lake. Given the technological advancement of Salt Lake City, it wouldn't be out of place to have him providing the Mormons with pump-action shotguns (and other anachronistic weaponry).

Finally, a character in Canyon o' Doom uses a pump action shotgun, in the introductory scene (set in Salt Lake).

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#7 Postby Targetlock » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:53 pm

what does anachronistic mean? theres nothing stopping a mad scientist inventing it early i suppose.
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#8 Postby Dodge City » Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:40 pm

Considering the fact that the Civil War dragged on as long as it did, its fully acceptable that weapon technology would be advanced by about a decade faster that it would have been. An example would be in Tales of Terror 1877, in which CSA troops at the 7th Battle of Manassas used weaponized chlorine gas against the enemy. Considering it really was weaponized by the Germans in WWI, around 1915 if I'm not mistaken, then there's nothing wrong with pump-shotguns coming out a few years early. Like the Chlorine Gas, it doesn't even have to be considered Mad Science, just a natural progression of weapon technology one would see during a war.

Just my opinion though.

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#9 Postby Tuesday » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:03 pm

what does anachronistic mean?


It's adopted Greek.
"Ana" - not.
"Chron" - time
"istic" - like.

An "anachronism" is something that is out of it's proper time. Something that is "anachronistic" is something that does not belong in that time.

So, assault rifles and antibiotics are anachronistic to the American Civil War. Swords and platemail are anachronistic to the English Civil War. Dinosaurs are anachronistic to cavemen.

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More complex terms...

#10 Postby NOESKANE » Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:42 pm

Hello!


As far as I can tell, Deadlands is an uchronia* also.


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#11 Postby Targetlock » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:06 am

thanks for that now i know :)
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#12 Postby Noshrok Grimskull » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:40 am

And knowing is half the battle!

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#13 Postby Wendigo1870 » Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:04 pm

It's even more fun when you see them as an adult now; you can laugh with it's silliness and more knowledge.

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Re: (DLR) do pump-action shotguns exist at the time?

#14 Postby Clint » Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:02 pm

Targetlock wrote:So do pump-action shotguns exist at that period, i haven't been able to find anything about it. i have a big fond spot for shotguns so any answers would help.


You know, for Deadlands, before making an anachronistic pump-action shotgun, I'd go for the lever-action shotgun like the Winchester Model 1887. Much more Western in my opinion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_M1887
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#15 Postby marshal kt » Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:15 pm

umm.. yeah.

after talking to people who've shot them in RL, you better set a minimun str of D8 to shoot it...it takes a better than average str to work the action/lever.
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#16 Postby Targetlock » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:10 am

nice find. thanks
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#17 Postby Lord Ben » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:43 pm

marshal kt wrote:umm.. yeah.

after talking to people who've shot them in RL, you better set a minimun str of D8 to shoot it...it takes a better than average str to work the action/lever.


Try to oil it once in awhile... :)

I think the 1887 is the one that they modified for the Terminator 2 scene where he shoots and cocks it 1 handed. While that's obviously not real, you by no means need a d8 str. The local gun store on Saturay had one and it wasn't that much different than other lever actions.

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#18 Postby marshal kt » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:50 pm

really?
i was told that by several people at the match, all male all 6"+ when i asked if my wife could shoot it. 1 had one on hand but we didn't get chance to try it.

then again cocking it is a bit different when it's loaded.
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#19 Postby Lord Ben » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:06 pm

Was it new or antique? How many other lever action guns have you or the people who fire it shot? How did they try to work the action, did they keep it at their cheek or drop it down to their hip? Working it while aiming movie style is a lot harder.

They're all generally harder to work than people expect.

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#20 Postby marshal kt » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:49 pm

they were both the new replicas and the older originals.

they are all experienced cowboy action shooters, with 10+ years experience, 1 with 30 years experience as a CAS. but more years than that shooting.

they've fired probably 30+ lever guns between them, and owned at least that many. i know 1 of them owns about 10 differnt ones in various calibers. [he has as many guns as i have minis, or so it seemed]

we shoot while aiming the gun.
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