Intimidation vs Persuasion

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Intimidation vs Persuasion

#1 Postby sergut » Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:35 am

If Aldo the salesman wants to convince Ada to give him her money, in exchange of a magnificent second-hand car, he will roll Persuasion. If he is successful, Ada´s attitude will change in his favour; if the final attitude is Friendly or Helpful, Ada will be convinced and buy the car.

If Berty the burglar wants to convince Ada to give him her money, in exchange of not shooting her with his gun, what will he roll? It looks like intimidation, but the description of Intimidation in the Core Rules seems to apply only to Tests of Will in combat, which is not very helpful for the situation at hand.

So the question is: what is the right way to intimidate someone else into action according to the Core Rules?

Is a success on Intimidate OK for this purpose?
Or is a Persuasion roll still necessary as in the other case and Intimidate cannot be used for this?
Or maybe a success on Intimidate will grant a +2 on the subsequent Persuasion roll (which is still necessary)?

I have searched the forum but could not find an answer. Thanks in advance for your help! :-)

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Re: Intimidation vs Persuasion

#2 Postby Clint » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:18 pm

sergut wrote:If Aldo the salesman wants to convince Ada to give him her money, in exchange of a magnificent second-hand car, he will roll Persuasion. If he is successful, Ada´s attitude will change in his favour; if the final attitude is Friendly or Helpful, Ada will be convinced and buy the car.


Not necessarily. No roll can force an NPC to a particular action (other than the Puppet power). The character may hope that is the desired action, but it's not guaranteed by any means.

For instance, no matter how Friendly or Helpful Ada may be, if she doesn't have the money or a car would not benefit her at all, then nothing would likely convince her to buy one. However, she might mention someone she knows who needs a car if Friendly or even call the person herself, vouching for the salemen, if Helpful.

Just wanting to be clear that Persuasion can alter an attitude but it can't necessarily change an action.

Here's a post that discusses that a bit more...

http://www.peginc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=267160#267160

sergut wrote:If Berty the burglar wants to convince Ada to give him her money, in exchange of not shooting her with his gun, what will he roll? It looks like intimidation, but the description of Intimidation in the Core Rules seems to apply only to Tests of Will in combat, which is not very helpful for the situation at hand.

So the question is: what is the right way to intimidate someone else into action according to the Core Rules?


Per the description of Tests of Will, "More subjective effects are determined by the Game Master in roleplaying situations."

So it's up to the GM to make the call based on the specific situation since the conditions can be very subjective.

Plus, as above, a roll might succeed but not result in the actual desired action.
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