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Veteran O weird west.

#1 Postby Troven » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:10 pm

I renember reading you can use the 25 points for vet to increase the die type for traits, is this true? if so whats the cost? (I don't have my coppy anymore.) and do you get a free trait incease too? srry for grammar my phone sucks.

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#2 Postby ValhallaGH » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:16 pm

For games using the Classic rules:
1) You can use the points from any Veteran edge to raise traits. They are usually not enough, though. ;)
2) Raising traits for a veteran of the Weird West costs the new die type in points (still have to buy the steps). So taking Deftness from d6 to d10 would cost 8 (d8 ) + 10 (d10) = 18 of the 25 points. Raising the coordination has the same cost (2dx to 4dx will cost 7 points, 3 for 3dx and 4 for 4dx).
3) The only "free" increases are 3 Grit. And the veteran table can be crippling. Good luck, amigo. :twisted:
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#3 Postby JackJWells » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:45 pm

25? I remember it being 15, has been a while though

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#4 Postby ValhallaGH » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:43 pm

JackJWells wrote:25? I remember it being 15, has been a while though

Generally, Veteran o' ... provides 15 character points that work just like any other character point (except for allowing you to buy up traits - veteran points can do this at the same rate as Bounty Points).
For an HOE campaign, Veteran o' the Weird West is special. It shows that this character survived the 200-odd year gap between the Weird West and the Wasted West. So, it works differently, and can be more powerful. But again, that table draw is nasty.
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#5 Postby JackJWells » Wed Mar 28, 2012 1:30 am

I remember that now, I think I misread that, the table was nasty indeed

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#6 Postby nerovipus » Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:47 am

vet. of the weird is cool the only pain is that pesky "what what whaaat!!"
chart you roll on but a templar with a fightin' of 8. :eek:
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#7 Postby ValhallaGH » Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:53 pm

nerovipus wrote:vet. of the weird is cool the only pain is that pesky "what what whaaat!!"
chart you roll on but a templar with a fightin' of 8. :eek:

Meh. Be a Soldier with Rank 5. Get that fightin' to 10 and earn Templar in play (or take Veteran o' the Wasted West and start as a Templar).

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#8 Postby JackJWells » Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:14 pm

ValhallaGH wrote:
nerovipus wrote:vet. of the weird is cool the only pain is that pesky "what what whaaat!!"
chart you roll on but a templar with a fightin' of 8. :eek:

Meh. Be a Soldier with Rank 5. Get that fightin' to 10 and earn Templar in play (or take Veteran o' the Wasted West and start as a Templar).


Your character wouldnt last that long or care by that time in my games, maybe your marshal is a pushover-chip-giver the way you make it sound...

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#9 Postby WilyQuixote » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:35 pm

Pushover-chip-giver Marshal has nothing to do with it. What ValhallaGH is talking about is possible (and legal) for a starting PC right out of the gate. Its all in the Wasted Warriors supplement.

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#10 Postby ScooterinAB » Fri May 04, 2012 2:31 pm

I've never connected the dots myself, but ya. You could make an ex soldier Templar with fightin' 10. It's gross. But you probably wouldn't have any oher skills. My first character was a Templar with super soldier. He could basically only kill things well.
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#11 Postby UndeadParrot » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:48 am

Don't know if this is still an issue, but anyhow...

ValhallaGH wrote:For games using the Classic rules:
2) Raising traits for a veteran of the Weird West costs the new die type in points (still have to buy the steps). So taking Deftness from d6 to d10 would cost 8 (d8 ) + 10 (d10) = 18 of the 25 points. Raising the coordination has the same cost (2dx to 4dx will cost 7 points, 3 for 3dx and 4 for 4dx).


I'm afraid the cost as lined out above by ValhallaGH are not quite correct.

First, it's only 15 points. Next, it costs three times the new trait die type in (bounty) points, thus it would cost 24 points to raise a d6 to d8. Similar for coordination: it costs double to increase by a step, so 2dx to 3dx would cost 6 points.
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#12 Postby ValhallaGH » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:06 pm

UndeadParrot wrote:I'm afraid the cost as lined out above by ValhallaGH are not quite correct.

Read the whole thread. Then read the edge we're talking about. :razz:

This is for the Hell On Earth edge, Veteran o' the Weird West, not the Weird West edge of the same name. See Hell on Earth: The Wasted West around page 12 (book number 6005); the one with Stone gunning down a bunch of deaders on the cover.
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#13 Postby UndeadParrot » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:12 am

Whoops, my bad. :oops:

You're absolutely right, ValhallaGH. While I did read the whole thread, it simply didn't occur to me that they might have changed the cost calculations for raising traits and coordinations, even for such a significant Edge.

Sorry about stating you were not right in the first place. Next time I'll try some research before trying to contribute :(
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#14 Postby ValhallaGH » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:05 pm

UndeadParrot wrote:Whoops, my bad. :oops:

Apology accepted. :) And please, keep contributing. Lord knows I've shot off my mouth with insufficient preparation enough times that I can't hold it against anyone else.

The more people we have around, bouncing ideas around, the better our results will be. And that will generally lead to even more fun at the gaming table. :blam:
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#15 Postby Mr. Wilson » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:30 am

Speaking of Vet o' the Weird West, how harshly do you punish your players for taking it?

Personally, I hate hosing character concepts before the game has even started. I'll redraw Mysterious Backgrounds, Mutations, and regular VoTWastedW draws until I find something appropriate.

I mean, what's the point (and fun) of spending an hour (or longer) making a character only to have random chance at the very end destroy the character concept?

Now, we turn our attention to Weird West vets. On one hand, 25 freebies (plus the generous ability to up dietypes cheaply) is pretty strong. On the other hand, Project Democles (sp?) soldiers end up with an absurd amount of bonus points as well, even taking the auto-hindrances that come with it.

I've only had two players take it and they both drew favorable draws (books not in front of me, but one was the Red Joker and one was an Ace, maybe?), so I didn't really have to crush them for it. Do you let draws fall as they may, or do you soften the blow?

I think I'm a softie in char-gen. In game, well, TPK's in HoE aren't uncommon endings for campaigns.
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#16 Postby UndeadParrot » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:38 am

Mr. Wilson wrote:Personally, I hate hosing character concepts before the game has even started. I'll redraw Mysterious Backgrounds, Mutations, and regular VoTWastedW draws until I find something appropriate.

Same for me. If the draw is crippling a concept, I'll either redraw or modify it a little to make it work, although I'm not hesitant to make it a real nuisance or a bounty point sink.

Once had a Fu Fighter in my group (in Weird West, though) and naturally he drew missing a leg, which he considered quite essential for his fighting style. But instead of forcing him through it (or redrawing), we agreed to let him spend character points on a leg augmentation. Became quite a memorable character this way.

The example above would of course be strictly against the RAW for Veterans of the Weird West in HoE, where it is explicitly stated that the missing limb (or missing eyes) can not be be replaced by cyberware or magic. Don't know what I would do in such a case. Perhaps decide the Veteran status beforehand and develop the character concept afterwards. But that would probably patronize the player too much :-?
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#17 Postby Fists-of-Dorn » Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:27 pm

I am generally in the camp of "Don't cripple the character concept at generation." I once had a player draw the Black Joker for his Soldier Background, which oddly enough just didn't fit the character description at all- no secret squirrel stuff, no super-soldier serum anywhere in the character's background, and so on. In that instance I merely had him draw again, which resulted in an addiction to alcohol which fit his hard-drinking soldier to a "T".

I have also had players make Mysterious Past/ Arcane Happenin's/ Veteran draws, but not start with them applied to the character. Rather I developed them in play, which is a fun way to stick to the draw without immediately crippling the concept; the player has time to get attached to the character and is more likely to want to grow through the adversity instead of getting peeved with the generation process.

As to the many horrible maiming, blinding, deafening, speech-impairing draws that exist across the different tables, I also look to these as not too permanent. If the player has a good and interesting history which incorporates the affliction as part of a curse, or some such, then I would be amenable to the character being able to eventually work his way out of it. Generally speaking as a long and involved personal quest of sorts. Perhaps a witch cursed the poor sod back in 1894 and here in 2094 he learns the hag is still alive and in the Ouachita swamps of Arkansas (Pirate Kansas as some have called it). Now this harrowed gunslinger decides he is going to go get some revenge and along the way discovers that the witch can actually undo the curse; now he has to either apologize and make amends to her or trick her- either way he's probably going to blast her into the afterlife, but she may not pick up on that. If she does, then the Marshal has a fun distraction for that particular hero in upcoming adventures.


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#18 Postby catalac » Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:47 pm

well i'm no classic expert, but what i've always done is pick the result that goes with their history. for example a character that had watched every one important to her be bloodily murdered in the most terrifying fashion including the kids she was charged to protect then having the shape shifting demons who did the murder imitate the dead children as they came to kill her. she got the bad dream hindrance.
and then there was the ex texas ranger who was retired after getting losing his unit to the black regiment. he got the lame hindrance to show the injuries that he took to get sent home.
now these may be reloaded examples but i'm sure they will still help a bit.


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