PPSh41 and Potato Mashers (Stalingrad meat pie)

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PPSh41 and Potato Mashers (Stalingrad meat pie)

#1 Postby Judge Holden » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:31 pm

Has anyone statted out a PPSh41, the Russian SMG from WWII? I know that the calibre is 7.62 but it is a pistol cartridge so I don't think it should do the regular 7.62 damage (as per an AK47). At the same time I somehow think it should do more than a 9mm, but I'm not sure. Should it be 2d6+1 or just stick with the 9mm damage?

According to the main rules a German potato masher hand grenade does less damage than a regular grenade. Why is that? It seems odd that the Germans who are masters of effeciency (as the shamwow guy says "Its German so you know its good!") would make a sub-par hand grenade? Ach? Nein!!

So I'm wondering what the reasoning is behind the 3d6-2 damage?

And while I'm at it, can anyone hook me up with a site that has Russian military slang from WWII? I found a German one easily on wiki, but the russians, they are like trying to find a ghost in a blizzard...
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#2 Postby VonDan » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:58 pm

The original PPSh41 used the 7.62x25 round the same as the Tokarev semi automatic pistol while the the AK47 uses a 7.62x39 (they used rejected brass from the 7.62x39 and 7.62x54R), so the The PPSh41 has the same diameter bullet (about .30 caliber) but with a few less grains of powder. I think it still has more powder than 9mm or .38 but a slightly smaller bullet so find stats for a mid sized automatic.

And they take an hour to load the 100 round magazine and the player has to roll a pinch check to see if he got his fingers in the springs of the drum while reloading.

But 20 seconds to unload the mag = a Fun Rating of 4D12

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#3 Postby jeff » Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:57 pm

Just use the damage rating for a .45. Actually, this should be in Weird War II but would also work for Tour of Darkness (Vietnam) and Weird Korean War.
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#4 Postby Mindseye » Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:25 pm

On the grenades if I remember right the stats for the standard grenade is for a modern one, where as the potato masher is period. In comparison, the masher is weaker than modern equivalents.

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#5 Postby SlasherEpoch » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:32 pm

PPSh41: 2d6+1 damage sounds good.

Potato masher: They are probably weaker than modern grenades. You might houserule that they have a slightly greater range, maybe 7/14/28, to compensate.

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